TradingView Known Issues

Quick answers to common questions about PAT Indicator behavior and TradingView platform limitations.

Why Do Boxes Shift Position on My 30-Minute Chart?

Quick Answer

This is completely normal - and it only happens while the 30-minute bar is still forming. Once the bar closes, everything locks into place with 100% accuracy.

  • Your trading decisions are not affected
  • Final positions are always correct
  • This only happens on 30-minute charts during bar formation
  • Your 5-minute and 15-minute charts don't have this behavior

Think of it like watching a photo develop in a darkroom - the image might be a bit blurry while it's still processing, but once it's done, you get a crystal-clear, accurate picture.

What You Might See (30-Minute Charts Only)

While a 30-minute bar is actively forming (between when it opens and when it closes), you might notice:

Observation:

  • A box that was showing as "completed" might briefly switch back to "in-progress"
  • A whale marker might appear, then disappear, then reappear in a slightly different position
  • Box boundaries might adjust by a few minutes

When this happens:

  • Only during the 30 minutes while that bar is forming
  • Not on historical/closed bars
  • Not on your 5-minute or 15-minute charts

Why This Doesn't Affect Your Trading

The Final Result is What Matters

Here's the key point: Once the 30-minute bar closes, everything stabilizes perfectly.

  • The box settles into its final, correct position
  • The whale marker locks into place at the accurate location
  • All price levels (box boundaries, midline rays) are 100% correct

You Trade on Closed Bars Anyway

Professional trading methodology uses closed/confirmed bars for decision-making:

  • You don't enter trades based on a bar that's still forming
  • You wait for the bar to close to confirm the setup
  • By the time you're making trading decisions, the mid-bar adjustments are already done

Bottom line: The temporary mid-bar adjustments happen during the "waiting period" before you'd act on the signal anyway.

Real-World Example

Let's say it's currently 10:15 AM and a 30-minute bar opened at 10:00 AM:

10:05 AM (bar still forming):

  • PAT detects accumulation and draws a box
  • Box shows as "completed" with a whale marker

10:16 AM (bar still forming):

  • New price data comes in, box logic re-evaluates
  • Box temporarily switches to "in-progress"
  • Whale marker disappears temporarily

10:30 AM (bar closes):

  • Bar is now confirmed and finalized
  • Box settles into final position - completed
  • Whale marker reappears at the correct, final location
  • Everything is now accurate and stable

Your trading action:

  • You see the closed 10:00-10:30 bar with the completed box
  • You make your trading decision based on this confirmed setup
  • The mid-bar adjustments at 10:05 and 10:16 don't affect your analysis because you're looking at the final confirmed state

Why Does This Happen?

The Technical Reason (Simplified)

PAT uses a special approach on 30-minute charts to ensure the most accurate positioning:

  • It reads price data directly from the chart (called "native series")
  • While a bar is forming, this data updates in realtime as new ticks come in
  • PAT's logic recalculates with each update to stay accurate
  • Once the bar closes, the data stops updating and everything locks in place

This approach gives you the most accurate final positioning - the trade-off is that you see the "thinking process" while the bar is still forming.

Your 5-Minute and 15-Minute Charts Are Different

This behavior is specific to 30-minute charts. Your other timeframes use a different data approach and don't have these mid-bar adjustments. They show stable positions throughout.

Best Practices

1. Trust the Closed Bar

Make your trading decisions based on closed/confirmed 30-minute bars, not bars that are still forming. This is standard professional trading practice anyway.

2. Use Multiple Timeframes

If the mid-bar adjustments on your 30-minute chart are distracting:

  • Use your 5-minute or 15-minute chart as your primary view for intraday monitoring
  • Keep the 30-minute chart for the "big picture" context
  • Both will show accurate signals - the lower timeframes just don't have the mid-bar adjustments

3. Don't Panic Mid-Bar

If you see a box or marker shift position while a 30-minute bar is forming:

  • This is normal behavior
  • Wait for the bar to close
  • The final position will be accurate

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Does this mean I'm getting inaccurate signals?

No. The final signals are 100% accurate. The mid-bar adjustments are just the indicator "thinking out loud" while processing realtime data. Once the bar closes, you get the accurate, reliable signal.

Q: Should I switch to only using 5-minute or 15-minute charts?

Not necessarily. The 30-minute chart provides valuable longer-term context. If the mid-bar adjustments bother you, you can:

  • Focus on the 30-minute chart only when bars are closed
  • Use 5m/15m charts for active monitoring
  • Come back to the 30m chart periodically to check the "big picture"

Many traders successfully use all three timeframes together.

Q: Will this be fixed in a future update?

This is not a bug to fix - it's a design trade-off. The alternative would be to delay all boxes and markers on 30-minute charts until the bar closes (hiding them during formation), which would create a different set of user complaints ("Why is my 30m chart slower than my 5m chart?").

The current approach gives you:

  • Immediate feedback as PAT processes data
  • Maximum accuracy once the bar closes
  • Transparent processing (you can see the indicator working)

We believe this is the best balance for professional traders who make decisions on closed bars.

Q: Does this affect alerts?

No. Alerts fire based on confirmed bars, so they're not affected by mid-bar adjustments. You'll receive alerts at the correct time with the correct information.

Summary

On 30-minute charts during bar formation:

  • Boxes and markers may temporarily adjust position
  • This is normal, expected behavior
  • Everything stabilizes accurately when the bar closes

This does not affect:

  • Your trading accuracy or results
  • Signal reliability
  • Your decision-making process (you trade on closed bars)
  • Your 5-minute or 15-minute charts

The key takeaway: Make your trading decisions based on closed 30-minute bars, and you'll have completely accurate, reliable signals. The mid-bar adjustments are just temporary states during the processing period.

PAT Indicator: Non-Repainting Guarantee

The PAT Indicator is designed with absolute reliability in mind. When a bar closes and PAT places a marker on your TradingView chart, that marker stays exactly where it was placed—permanently.

Our guarantee:

  • Closed bars never repaint: Once a bar closes, markers are locked in place forever
  • Historical accuracy: Scrolling through chart history shows markers in their original positions
  • All PAT markers maintain integrity: River, Rays, Pressure Points, Buffers, and Whale markers all stay reliable

This non-repainting behavior on closed bars is a core feature of PAT Indicator and provides the reliability you need for confident trading decisions.

Note: Like all professional indicators, markers may adjust position while a bar is still forming (typically only visible on 30-minute charts). Once the bar closes, positions lock permanently.

TradingView Replay Mode Behavior

While the PAT Indicator performs flawlessly in live trading and historical review, TradingView's replay mode has known platform-level issues that can affect how all indicators (not just PAT) display their markers and signals.

These are TradingView platform limitations, not issues with the PAT Indicator itself.

Community-Reported Observations

TradingView users across multiple community forums and discussion posts have reported the following behaviors when using replay mode:

  • Indicator markers or objects may shift position, redraw, or display at different locations than they appear on live charts
  • This occurs even when the indicator code is unchanged and performs correctly outside of replay mode
  • Signals may shift unexpectedly or disappear when moving across larger timeframes or rewinding/fast-forwarding extensively
  • In contrast, simply scrolling backward and forward in live mode does not cause these issues—markers stay where they appeared during real-time price action

Why This Happens: Replay Mode vs. Live Data

TradingView's replay mode operates fundamentally differently from live charting:

Replay Mode

Uses a different data loading and object-rendering system. The platform reconstructs the chart bar-by-bar, recalculating indicator logic based on the data available up to each replay point. This triggers the indicator to recalculate as if it's seeing each bar appear for the first time.

Live Mode

Indicators "know" what bars have appeared historically and retain marker locations from previous bar calculations. The indicator state is preserved consistently across chart navigation.

These differences in how TradingView stores and updates indicator state can result in replay mode not matching live results exactly, especially for indicators that rely on persistent variables or bar states.

What This Means for PAT Users

✓ Fully Reliable (Live Trading & Historical Review)

When you use PAT Indicator in live trading mode or scroll through your chart history, all markers remain in their exact, original positions. This is where PAT excels and where you should trust the indicator completely.

⚠ May Show Inconsistencies (Replay Mode Only)

If you use TradingView's replay mode for backtesting or practice, you may notice markers appearing in different positions than they would in live mode. This is due to TradingView's replay system limitations and affects all indicators on the platform, not just PAT.

Recommendation: For the most accurate representation of PAT Indicator signals, rely on live trading mode and historical chart scrolling. Use replay mode for general practice understanding, but be aware that marker positions may not perfectly match live behavior due to TradingView platform limitations.

A Better Approach: Front Testing vs Backtesting

Beyond the technical limitations of replay mode, there's a more fundamental issue with backtesting that affects how traders learn and develop real market skills.

Why Backtesting Falls Short

The PAT Indicator and our education system are designed to help you read the beliefs of the market as the market unfolds in real-time. Backtesting is fundamentally at odds with this approach—it doesn't allow you to form the intuitive understanding and connection to the market that you need for successful trading.

Backtesting also creates a false sense of security. You're always guessing where your order might be filled and guessing where it should be exited. It's simply not the real world.

Psychological Challenges of Backtesting

Research has identified significant psychological drawbacks and limitations of backtesting that can negatively affect traders' learning and performance:

Missing Emotional Factors

Backtesting removes key emotional factors inherent in live trading such as fear, greed, hesitation, and the pressure of real capital at risk. This creates a disconnect between backtest results and how traders actually behave in real markets, affecting decision-making skills and the emotional resilience needed for live trading.

Misplaced Confidence

Traders often develop overconfidence from backtesting since there is no actual money involved and no real-time risk. This can lead to poor live execution and unrealistic expectations.

Emotional Biases Not Captured

Traders may stick strictly to rules when viewing historical data but override strategies impulsively during live trading due to psychological factors. The weekend or off-market backtesting mindset differs significantly from live market psychology.

Incomplete Learning

Backtesting alone fails to teach traders how to manage drawdowns, slippage, or news volatility because those elements rarely appear realistically in simulated tests. The absence of emotional learning and real-time decision pressure impairs development of crucial trading discipline, adaptability, and risk management skills.

Superficial Understanding

Traders risk building a mechanical understanding of markets rather than developing the intuitive, experience-based insights needed for live trading success.

The Front Testing Approach

Instead of backtesting, we advocate what we call front testing—learning at the live edge of the market with real capital at stake.

How Front Testing Works

Use very small position sizes that have no meaningful financial impact on you whatsoever—but enough that it keeps everything 100% real.

Trade at the live edge where you must make real decisions, manage real fills, and experience real market uncertainty.

Develop genuine intuition by reading market beliefs as they unfold in real-time, not after the fact.

Experience authentic emotions—even with tiny amounts, real money creates the psychological conditions necessary to develop true trading discipline.

Building Real Market Intuition

Scrolling back through historical charts and backtesting are fundamentally different from learning at the live edge. It's chalk and cheese.

When you front test with the PAT Indicator:

  • You learn to read market maker beliefs as they develop, not in hindsight
  • You develop the pattern recognition and intuition that only comes from real-time observation
  • You experience the emotional journey of waiting for setups, managing uncertainty, and executing decisions
  • You discover how your actual fills, slippage, and market conditions affect your results
  • You build the psychological resilience needed for sustainable trading success

The Psychology of Real Money (Even Small Amounts)

Research and expert commentary emphasize that backtesting provides useful statistical insights but is psychologically insufficient to prepare traders fully for live conditions.

Trading educators warn that relying solely on backtesting can create illusions of certainty and psychologically harm trader development by fostering unrealistic expectations and neglecting live trading dynamics.

The Bottom Line

While backtesting is a valuable tool for strategy evaluation, it is not a substitute for real trading experience and psychological preparedness. Its psychological impact can be damaging if used in isolation without addressing the emotional and behavioral challenges of live trading.

Front testing bridges this gap by combining the learning process with real market conditions, real emotions, and real decision-making—all while keeping financial risk minimal.

References

Information on this page is based on documented user experiences from TradingView community forums, official TradingView guides, widespread reports from traders using various indicators on the platform, and research on trading psychology and backtesting limitations from trading education experts.

Last updated: January 10, 2026

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