TradingView Known Issues
PAT Indicator: Non-Repainting Guarantee
The PAT Indicator is designed with absolute reliability in mind. When PAT places a marker on your TradingView chart in live mode, that marker stays exactly where it was placed—permanently. This applies to:
- Live trading mode: Markers appear in real-time and never move
- Historical scrolling: Scrolling backward and forward through your chart history shows markers in their original, accurate positions
- All PAT markers: River, Rays, Pressure Points, Buffers, and Whale markers all maintain their integrity
This non-repainting behavior is a core feature of PAT Indicator and provides the reliability you need for confident trading decisions.
TradingView Replay Mode Behavior
While the PAT Indicator performs flawlessly in live trading and historical review, TradingView's replay mode has known platform-level issues that can affect how all indicators (not just PAT) display their markers and signals.
These are TradingView platform limitations, not issues with the PAT Indicator itself.
Community-Reported Observations
TradingView users across multiple community forums and discussion posts have reported the following behaviors when using replay mode:
- •Indicator markers or objects may shift position, redraw, or display at different locations than they appear on live charts
- •This occurs even when the indicator code is unchanged and performs correctly outside of replay mode
- •Signals may shift unexpectedly or disappear when moving across larger timeframes or rewinding/fast-forwarding extensively
- •In contrast, simply scrolling backward and forward in live mode does not cause these issues—markers stay where they appeared during real-time price action
Why This Happens: Replay Mode vs. Live Data
TradingView's replay mode operates fundamentally differently from live charting:
Replay Mode
Uses a different data loading and object-rendering system. The platform reconstructs the chart bar-by-bar, recalculating indicator logic based on the data available up to each replay point. This triggers the indicator to recalculate as if it's seeing each bar appear for the first time.
Live Mode
Indicators "know" what bars have appeared historically and retain marker locations from previous bar calculations. The indicator state is preserved consistently across chart navigation.
These differences in how TradingView stores and updates indicator state can result in replay mode not matching live results exactly, especially for indicators that rely on persistent variables or bar states.
What This Means for PAT Users
✓ Fully Reliable (Live Trading & Historical Review)
When you use PAT Indicator in live trading mode or scroll through your chart history, all markers remain in their exact, original positions. This is where PAT excels and where you should trust the indicator completely.
⚠ May Show Inconsistencies (Replay Mode Only)
If you use TradingView's replay mode for backtesting or practice, you may notice markers appearing in different positions than they would in live mode. This is due to TradingView's replay system limitations and affects all indicators on the platform, not just PAT.
Recommendation: For the most accurate representation of PAT Indicator signals, rely on live trading mode and historical chart scrolling. Use replay mode for general practice understanding, but be aware that marker positions may not perfectly match live behavior due to TradingView platform limitations.
A Better Approach: Front Testing vs Backtesting
Beyond the technical limitations of replay mode, there's a more fundamental issue with backtesting that affects how traders learn and develop real market skills.
Why Backtesting Falls Short
The PAT Indicator and our education system are designed to help you read the beliefs of the market as the market unfolds in real-time. Backtesting is fundamentally at odds with this approach—it doesn't allow you to form the intuitive understanding and connection to the market that you need for successful trading.
Backtesting also creates a false sense of security. You're always guessing where your order might be filled and guessing where it should be exited. It's simply not the real world.
Psychological Challenges of Backtesting
Research has identified significant psychological drawbacks and limitations of backtesting that can negatively affect traders' learning and performance:
Missing Emotional Factors
Backtesting removes key emotional factors inherent in live trading such as fear, greed, hesitation, and the pressure of real capital at risk. This creates a disconnect between backtest results and how traders actually behave in real markets, affecting decision-making skills and the emotional resilience needed for live trading.
Misplaced Confidence
Traders often develop overconfidence from backtesting since there is no actual money involved and no real-time risk. This can lead to poor live execution and unrealistic expectations.
Emotional Biases Not Captured
Traders may stick strictly to rules when viewing historical data but override strategies impulsively during live trading due to psychological factors. The weekend or off-market backtesting mindset differs significantly from live market psychology.
Incomplete Learning
Backtesting alone fails to teach traders how to manage drawdowns, slippage, or news volatility because those elements rarely appear realistically in simulated tests. The absence of emotional learning and real-time decision pressure impairs development of crucial trading discipline, adaptability, and risk management skills.
Superficial Understanding
Traders risk building a mechanical understanding of markets rather than developing the intuitive, experience-based insights needed for live trading success.
The Front Testing Approach
Instead of backtesting, we advocate what we call front testing—learning at the live edge of the market with real capital at stake.
How Front Testing Works
Use very small position sizes that have no meaningful financial impact on you whatsoever—but enough that it keeps everything 100% real.
Trade at the live edge where you must make real decisions, manage real fills, and experience real market uncertainty.
Develop genuine intuition by reading market beliefs as they unfold in real-time, not after the fact.
Experience authentic emotions—even with tiny amounts, real money creates the psychological conditions necessary to develop true trading discipline.
Building Real Market Intuition
Scrolling back through historical charts and backtesting are fundamentally different from learning at the live edge. It's chalk and cheese.
When you front test with the PAT Indicator:
- ✓You learn to read market maker beliefs as they develop, not in hindsight
- ✓You develop the pattern recognition and intuition that only comes from real-time observation
- ✓You experience the emotional journey of waiting for setups, managing uncertainty, and executing decisions
- ✓You discover how your actual fills, slippage, and market conditions affect your results
- ✓You build the psychological resilience needed for sustainable trading success
The Psychology of Real Money (Even Small Amounts)
Research and expert commentary emphasize that backtesting provides useful statistical insights but is psychologically insufficient to prepare traders fully for live conditions.
Trading educators warn that relying solely on backtesting can create illusions of certainty and psychologically harm trader development by fostering unrealistic expectations and neglecting live trading dynamics.
The Bottom Line
While backtesting is a valuable tool for strategy evaluation, it is not a substitute for real trading experience and psychological preparedness. Its psychological impact can be damaging if used in isolation without addressing the emotional and behavioral challenges of live trading.
Front testing bridges this gap by combining the learning process with real market conditions, real emotions, and real decision-making—all while keeping financial risk minimal.
References
Information on this page is based on documented user experiences from TradingView community forums, official TradingView guides, widespread reports from traders using various indicators on the platform, and research on trading psychology and backtesting limitations from trading education experts.
Last updated: November 17, 2025
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